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Reworking of MC, & Mary Sue Test

Sun Nov 8, 2009, 3:47 AM
Okay, everybody.I've finally decided on exactly what I'm going to do for Lotus's story. It's going to be a reworking of the Magical Girl Genre.
Essentially what I plan to do is remove most of what makes the MG genre lame, cliched, or just outright stupid and replace it with a bunch of new stuff that really I don't think has been tried as much (if at all) and certainly not in the MG genre.
I don't want to give away any details yet because it's still in the groundworking phase, but that's my plan.

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NOW ONTO THE MAIN POINT OF THE JOURNAL!

Due to an extended conversation with ~Wondrous-Sableye and his friend ~Crimson001, It's basically been revealed to me that there are a number of problems with MC regarding his character. 50% of people in my poll agreed that "my characters" were Mary Sues, but it would seem that a lot of them were talking specifically about MC.

To technically call MC a Mary Sue is hard for me, since Mary Sue generally denotates people don't like the character, and given the number of positive comments about him in relation to the number of negative comments... Namely, the fact that there never HAS been a negative comment about him... It seems that he isn't unlikable, just unbelievable.
Still, I'd like him to be more believable so I've decided to make a few changes.

So after speaking with WS and his friend Sara, essentially a number of changes were decided upon considering MC and his background.

First of all, he can't be over 1200 years old anymore. It's not exactly concievable that after so many years of torment that he wouldn't have ended up insane or have taken his own life. So we eventually decided that the right year for him to be born would be about 1550 making him around 462 years old. The thing about this is that it makes one important plot point in his life impossible. This is how he was intended to be worshipped as a Norse god for a good amount of time, making it all the more crushing when he was reduced from god to trash essentially overnight.
The idea that we came up with that would most closely resemble the Norse thing in terms of outcome would be to have him worshipped by the Hindu people as one of their snake gods, but this poses a few problems.
For one thing, the Hindu are still around. The advantage of the Norse was that that religion is essentially gone. There would be nobody that would be offended if I screwed up the religion, and also it made a lot more sense how he became reviled.
Second, it was hard to think of why he would be abandoned so readily. Honestly, the best thing we could think of was that he would eat a cow. It'd work, but it's kinda anticlimactic.
Third. It puts a real constraint on time. If I want to keep most of the story the same, then he needs to be moving on to China/Japan really fast after he's born to have the thing with Lin Su and join the Shaolin Monks after her death, where he learns his Shaolin Kung Fu.

Hmmm... Now that I think about it. It may be optimal to push his birth back another 100 years to 1450. That gives him a bit more time to do the stuff with the Hindu, and move on to Asia.

If anyone has any other sugestions about people that can worship him, though, I'd appreciate it. Note that I'm trying my best to AVOID African Religions and Small Sects/Cults.

Another thing that's changed is I'm ditching his mastery of multiple types of Martial Arts for just one: Shaolin Kung Fu. I pick this for several reasons: the main one being that it fits the best with his background, but also because the weapons involved with the style are FRICKIN AWESOME (Hook Swords, Bladed chain, etc).

So that's his background change. There were also a number of changes in terms of weaknesses, and there was a bit of discussion on personality and his name, although those really didn't change.

So, anyways, I'll be revealing everything in a new reference sheet around the time SSBB is over, so I don't screw up Atomic-Chinchilla's entry, and so I have a bit of time to work out his past.

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So that's the new plan. Most of the main stories won't change that much, so you don't have to worry aout him becoming an entirely different character, but the changed background elements should make him a lot more believable... If a nearly invulnerable serpentine half demon ever could be described as believable.

On that note, never take a "Mary Sue Litmus Test." Ever. Seriously, it'll just get you a bad idea about your characters when there most likely isn't anything wrong. Unless you deal with a strictly normal universe with strictly normal people, that have absolutely NOTHING special about them in any way to the point where they're the equivalent in boring of a high school English course novel. Not Kidding. That's the only way you can get a good score. I tried, like 10 of my characters and the only character who didnt end up with an "Uber Sue" or "Irredeemable Sue" score was Chekhov. He's by far the most normal of all of my characters, and he still made a "Borderline Sue score."
So really, If you have a fantasy or otherwise "fictional universe" story, don't bother taking the tests. They're so focused on making everything real to the point that anything nonreal = bad.
You wanna know some great characters from successful movies and TV that made terrible scores when I got curious about the test's credibility in the fantasy department and tested them?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Angel
Harry Potter
Luke Skywalker
Neo
Captain Kirk
and even Batman

FREAKING BATMAN is a Mary Sue according to these tests!

So seriously. Don't bother with those tests if you're writing original fantasy fiction at the very least. Fanfiction maybe, but don't bother if your thing is all your own, because if the character is not entirely based in reality, it'll be a Mary Sue. If you want to find out, host a poll like I did or something.

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  • Playing: Final Fantasy 4
  • Eating: Brie
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Sorry for posting a random message on your page, but who is Octavia?

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'sfine.

Octavia is Heather's horrible and sadistic nazi of a mother.

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Riiight...

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when the next ff6 part coming
:iconmidnight-cobra:
Still could be a while. I'm focusing on other projects at the moment. Not good at multitasking.

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YES! HE'S BANNED!
This is WAY belated. Sorry.
THANK YOU FOR KILLING HIM WITH ME.

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it's fine. ^^

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:iconjoshing3the7kokiri:
Oh, another thing:
I'm gonna go ahead and get started with Realm Quel'dorei. It's a New Players realm set as "Normal", which means PvP won't get us killed in Wetlands and Redridge and such. ^^; Which, by my knowledge, is a good thing. (Of course, if you'd prefer, we could ignore that and do some good ol' PvP server; just lemme know. I'll check back every now and again to see your replies)

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:iconmidnight-cobra:
I read that Quick Start Guide. I'm gonna do the one they say is PvE Normal. I dunno if that's the one you're talking about though.

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A'ight. Yeah, that's what I meant.
PvE Normal = Player vs Environment. It's advised because... well, Blizz doesn't want you to get decimated by some Lv 80 person while doing Lv 20-30 quests, y'know?

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I love my Lovely Lady, ~Wolf-of-the-Forest

"Crazy is often a synonym for awesome."
"Humans are good at two things: making mistakes and forgetting."
"Behold the magic of Norsae!"

"YEARGHOO!!!!"
:iconmidnight-cobra:
Okay then.
Makes sense to me.

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:iconjoshing3the7kokiri:
Yuppity. Sense be good.

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I love my Lovely Lady, ~Wolf-of-the-Forest

"Crazy is often a synonym for awesome."
"Humans are good at two things: making mistakes and forgetting."
"Behold the magic of Norsae!"

"YEARGHOO!!!!"
:iconjoshing3the7kokiri:
Hey, soon as you get this message, go ahead and start downloading WoW, 'kay? (It takes a while, I guarantee. ^^; )
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I love my Lovely Lady, ~Wolf-of-the-Forest

"Crazy is often a synonym for awesome."
"Humans are good at two things: making mistakes and forgetting."
"Behold the magic of Norsae!"

"YEARGHOO!!!!"
:iconmidnight-cobra:
Alright.

Listen, I'm going to do this stuff today because I promised I would. However, I still have a lot to do, so whether or not I'll be able to do a whole lot tomorrow or Sunday is questionable.

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:iconjoshing3the7kokiri:
Yup, yup. I hear ya. Just lemme know when ready. I won't be here at the house very much Saturday, though. :/ (Not mid-day at least)
Maybe Saturday night, we could get some work really started, eh?

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I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior.
I love my Lovely Lady, ~Wolf-of-the-Forest

"Crazy is often a synonym for awesome."
"Humans are good at two things: making mistakes and forgetting."
"Behold the magic of Norsae!"

"YEARGHOO!!!!"
:iconmidnight-cobra:
Well, I've started already sorta. Under the name "Allann" (Reference to one of my OC's)

Alright then.

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:iconjoshing3the7kokiri:
Really? Are you under the server I suggested, then?

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I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior.
I love my Lovely Lady, ~Wolf-of-the-Forest

"Crazy is often a synonym for awesome."
"Humans are good at two things: making mistakes and forgetting."
"Behold the magic of Norsae!"

"YEARGHOO!!!!"

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